Ep13: If Nuns Ruled The World #socialbiography #ladyinred

Dave and Bob are “blessed” to have their mom Helen on the show.  Refusing to take for granted the stories held by their parents, they ask their mom to tell them stories about her life.  She tells them about how she decided to become a nun and her rich life as a nun working for peace and justice.  She does so in the framework of a social biography, or telling her story in the context of what was happening social and politically.  She ends her story with wisdom for her sons, handling the Crew’s questions about living as a former nun in times of dystopia.


Huge thanks to In Heaven by Drake Stafford for our intro song, A Time for Action by Kennedy for our outro, the prolific and enigmatic Joe Shine for the thumbnail art.


For more on the Sisters of Mercy of Detroit have a great website


The statistics on women in religious orders referred to by Helen


Learn more about the nuns fighting and speaking out for justice



The Last Dance has captured Helen’s attention. 

Intersectionality and Astrology on The Astrology Podcast

Dave is loving Watchmen (so dystopian!)


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Ep12: Who Gets To Be The Superhero? #comicbooks #counterstories

Dave and Bob discuss the idea of the superhero through their love of comics.  After chatting about how they got hooked as kids, they do deep dives into the X-men’s Days of Future Past and Batman’s “Dark Knight” storylines for wisdom in the present.  As an affront to more revolutionary counterstories, Dave makes the case for the Avengers being the Bachelor, aka “hot garbage” aka white saviorism.  The crew ends with where they think comics are headed.


Huge thanks to In Heaven by Drake Stafford for our intro song, A Time for Action by Kennedy for our outro, the prolific and enigmatic Joe Shine for the thumbnail art.


You thought Dave made it up, but the great Serpopard is real!


Bob can’t get enough of the Days of Future Past storyline.


The Prisoner’s Dilemma scene from the Dark Knight.


Korg’s (voiced by Taika Waititi) wisdom in Thor Ragnarok 


Amazing TED talk by Gabby Riviera, who penned the 2018 season of Ms. America, the first queer Latina/x superhero. 




The amazing James Cone being interview about his book The Cross and The Lynching Tree.


Jam out to Up to Morning by Treetop Mansion



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Bonus Episode: A peak behind the curtains #Ozymandias

Radio-style Giveaway to Thrive!


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Find the poems called “Ozymandias” by Horace Smith and Percy Shelly here.


Huge thanks to In Heaven by Drake Stafford for our intro song, HOME for our poem-time songs, A Time for Action by Kennedy for our outro, the prolific and enigmatic Joe Shine for the thumbnail art..

Ep11: Narrative Dystopia Series: Cracking Things Open

Writer Michael Bishop reads his essay Primum Non Nocere: First, Do No Harm to start the show.  The essay is part investigative journalism, part creative non-fiction and interrogates the taken-for-granted practice of organ donation and recovery.  The Thriving crew discuss the essay, especially for how it illuminates what amounts to a kafkaesque custom.  In taking the wool away from our eyes, the discussion builds to using politically-informed art to uncover other taken-for-granted facets of our lives, especially ones more vivid in the pandemic. 


CONTENT WARNING: The essay contains vivid descriptions of medical procedures including organ recovery surgery.  The story runs from minutes 6 through 22:30.


Huge thanks to In Heaven by Drake Stafford for our intro song, A Time for Action by Kennedy for our outro, the prolific and enigmatic Joe Shine for the thumbnail art, the Normal School for Mike’s essay, and Kai Engel for the great suspense music.


For the written version of Mike’s Primum Non Nocere essay at the Normal School.


Mike mentioned a study that showed that 20% of unresponsive patients showed some level of awareness. I was wrong: it’s closer to 10%. Careful examination revealed that some displayed very subtle signs of consciousness, but also that ~5% of patients showed zero outward signs of awareness yet were able to answer yes/no questions using fMRI. Here’s an Aeon article from the researchers: https://aeon.co/amp/essays/new-therapies-offer-hope-for-people-trapped-by-disorders-of-consciousness and here’s a link to the study (also linked in Aeon article) https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa0905370?url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori%3Arid%3Acrossref.org&rfr_dat=cr_pub++0pubmed.
This study provides an excellent overview of the crisis within neuroscience regarding the fiction of brain death: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10943-018-0654-7.




King Tut’s once forgotten tomb


There, There by Tommy Orange and the great Albert Camus


Get in touch with us for the best late 90s mix ever!


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Ep10: Dancing with Grief: Oreos, Counselling, and Finding Meaning #cryapint #legacies

In this beautifully tender episode, the Thriving crew dance with grief.  In this era of the pandemic, “loss and grieving go hand in hand.” Dave and Bob welcome the awesome Katie Gillespie to the show to discuss ideas connected to grief and deepening our collective practice of grieving.  The three discuss who their dads were to them, and how their passing was central to their identity development and ideas of grieving.  They discuss the power object, ritual, and meaning-making practices for grieving and whether there is a beyond of grief.  They end reflecting on what the wisdom of grieving can help support in moving in the world of pandemic and dystopia.

Huge thanks to In Heaven by Drake Stafford for our intro song, A Time for Action by Kennedy for our outro, and the prolific and enigmatic Joe Shine for the thumbnail art.


Rando’s 3 stage model for grief that Katie spoke about.



Abolition study group guide

I May Destroy You show 

Scene On Radio podcast


Katie’s contact: on social media @gillespiekat23


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Ep9: Using the Prisoner’s Dilemma to get from Non-mask-wearing to Joyful Militancy

Dave starts us out with a beautiful story about jazz, chess, coffee, and coming full circle.  The show then dives into getting a better understanding of the world through the prisoner’s dilemma.  Bob and Dave use this classic tool from game theory to understand the awful situation in spiking COVID in the U.S.; to getting a sense of the deep importance of mutual aid networks; and finally, to how social justice activists and revolutionaries can protect each other in times of great repression.

Huge thanks to In Heaven by Drake Stafford for our intro song, A Time for Action by Kennedy for our outro, and the prolific Joe Shine for the thumbnail art.

Oh no!  King Supers is getting rid of the Penny horses.

Support author/educator/hero Kimberley Jones’ patreon with Dave and Julie.

Watch the multi-talented Daveed Diggs perform “What to my people is the 4th of July?”

Our good buddies’ great podcast, “The Single Acorn,” about natural history, biology, and more! 

For prisoner’s dilemma superfans here is a video representation with less use of the word “squeal.” 

Russian anarchist Peter Kropotkin’s important book on mutual aid.

The amazing abolitionist Dean Spade’s article on mutual aid groups and the must-read solidarity not charity.

45’s attack and imprisonment on BLM activists/revolutionaries.

Please support the Black Hills Legal Defense Fund if you can.


Unlocking Us podcast with Brene Brown.

Boys 4 Now music video (super Backstreet Boys). 


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Ep8: Why movement matters, and who is allowed to move #abolishICE #herosjourney #originstory

In the spirit of the topic of the show for today, Dave and Bob meander on various dystopias, stories, psychology, and news events relating to movement.  Global movement has been profoundly affected during the pandemic.  Yet, taking a page from Joyful Militancy, the brothers attempt to weave together crucial ideas of movement: who gets to move? If movement leads to change, how can we harness movement?  And then how can movement lead to freedom especially for those that are least free?

Thanks to the artists: HOME, Drake Stafford, Cullah, and the enigmatic Joe Schine.

Amazing resource showing all the proposal to defund from an abolitionist perspective: D4pa.com

Dystopia of the week:

1) The Long Take from the great Children of Men (2006) CW: an attack by paramilitaries that kills a woman.

2) Quote by Elysium director Neill Blomkamp is actually, “this movie is not good enough.”

The mindblowing Michael Caine inspired film The Trip

Great blogspot on reading for the The Hero(ine)’s Journey in Gloria Anzaldua and Adrian Rich’s work.  And there’s a quote from Anzaldua commenting on the “new masculinity.” Yeah, whatever, Robert Bly.

Obama as deporter-in-chief

Awful news as supreme court rules for Trump on fast-tracking deportation 7-2.

Do yourself a favor and read No Wall They Can Build by Crimethinc.

Email us if you want the Sylvia Wynter article.

The amazing Ejeris Dixon in Beyond Survival

Nightswimming by R.E.M.

All eyes on Ibram Kendi’s How to Be An Anti-racist at number 1 in non-fiction.

Alone on Netflix

“We are only as free as the least free of us.” – DPT

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Ep7: Vitalist Traditions, Herbal Medicine, and Taking Care of Ourselves in Pandemic

Bob and Dave have been thinking about health and medicine during the pandemic.  This week they host special guest Julie Pacholik, herbalist extraordinaire.  Julie shares her path to herbalism and connection to plants.  Bob and Dave ask her questions about herbalism as a paradigm shift, and Julie gives us ways to think about appropriation, creating community, and how to connect to ourselves and the world.

Thanks to the artists: Drake Stafford, Cullah, and the enigmatic Joe Schine

12 Monkeys for a critique of the medical model.

Free Fire Cider is a great site to get recipes and pushes back against corporate herbalism

The amazing heart properties of rose

Skullcap is a good friend.

Dave can’t get enough of “Alone” and enjoyed the time-traveling nurse on “Outlander”

And Bob is loving “JU$T” by Run the Jewels

Julie has been listening to the podcast Natural MD Radio

Julie’s contact: juliepacholik@gmail.com

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Ep6: #defundthepolice

Dave and Bob come together this week in the Sound Studio to try to understand the #defund police movement.  After a little reminiscing about great stickers in their life, they discuss the history of policing, including the failures of reform efforts and visions of abolition of the police and prisons.  They dig even deeper to ask what are police actually for in society? Building on this, they discuss what people can do wherever they are to be a part of these efforts.  

Thanks to the artists: Drake Stafford, Cullah, and the enigmatic Joe Schine

Spike Lee’s brilliant Do The Right Thing (1989, not 1990 or 91 as we stated in the show) and an essay on why people riot.

Mariame Kaba’s historical and historic essay on abolition in the NYT

Pig” as a derogatory word for police has been going on since at least 1811.

Police shot their own anti-bias trainer, interviewed on Democracy Now.

Cheryl Harris’ important essay Whiteness as Property

Critical Resistance’s very important work on defunding and prison abolition

Box Car by Shovels and Rope, one of the best vocal performances Dave’s ever seen

Book club! How To Be An Anti-Racist by Ibram X. Kendi

The podcast Intercepted, this week’s amazing episode with abolitionist Ruth Wilson Gilmore

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Ep5: Sports for radicals #welcometothethunderdom

Sports changes us, and we change sports.  After touching on current events, Bob and Dave examine the world of sports from a critical lens.  We ask whether a conscious person can still be a fan of sports, a world full of toxic power dynamics?  What do sports show us about ourselves and our society?  In a dystopia what do sports look like?  And is it possible to think of sports in the future that doesn’t devolve into some Mad Max gladiator bloodbath?

Thanks to HOME, Drake Stafford, and Cullah for the tunes… and thanks to Joe Schine for the cover art!

Naomi Klein quote about change in society: “Only a crisis — actual or perceived — produces real change. When that crisis occurs, the actions that are taken depend on the ideas that are lying around.”

Last Week Tonight episode on defunding the police.

What defunding the police means.

How to Be An Anti-racist by Ibrahim X. Kendi, So You Want to Talk About Race by Ijeoma Oluo and The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander.

Box score from the game that Dave went to.

Check out the Hazers at Marble Runs

The 1987 Cleveland Browns’ season review – “No Apologies Necessary”

People now play jugger, a sport inspired by the 1989 movie Blood of Heroes.

The podcast A Single Acorn featuring answers to questions about the natural world

Rhea Butcher’s podcast Three Swings


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